Wednesday, October 06, 2004

Sneed has a Pssst...:
"Dining at Christie Hefner and Billy Marovitz's house following the fund-raiser Friday night, Obama told singer Stevie Wonder the first music he bought as a youngster were his albums. 'The songs helped me get through a difficult time when I was a kid,' he said."


-- I guess the question I have is.. Is it a good idea for a US Senate candidate to dine (and have it made publicly known) at the home of the CEO of a major 'Adult Entertainment' company? Yes I know the magazine has good interviews (I am not using the name to avoid Net Nanny or other filters nailing the site) and compared to others in the same area it's stuff may be 'tasteful' than others in the field. Yes, OneMan has both read the magazine and looked at the pictures.

However doesn't the sort of stuff that company produces and sells promote a negative attitude towards women? Does this imply an implicit endorsement of Obama of the industry?

I know some will call this bitter or something for asking this, fine.

However I don't think it is a good idea for him politically long term for him to have a meal at the home of the CEO of an 'Adult Entertainment' company.

OneMan

10 comments:

So-Called Austin Mayor said...

I know some will call this bitter or something for asking this, fine.I am glad you are fine with my take on this.

OneMan said...

You can really think it was a good idea for him to dine at Christie Hefner's house, do you?

Anonymous said...

'However I don't think it is a good idea for him politically long term for him to have a meal at the home of the CEO of an 'Adult Entertainment' company.'

You have GOT to be kidding. It has been THIRTY YEARS(!!!) since a Sunday School teacher and former Governor of Georgia confided to a 'certain publication' that he 'lusted in his heart' for women other than his wife, and it damaged him so much politically that he got elected PRESIDENT.

I seriously doubt that it will be trouble, short or long term, for Obama to have a MEAL at the home of the owner of the same publication and her husband.

Besides, Adult Entertainment is a multi-BILLION dollar industry. A LOT of VOTERS are spending a LOT of $$ to keep these folks in business...whether they admit it or not.

OneMan said...

First, Carter was not universally 'Applauded' for his interview. Secondly, reguardless of the fact that people make billions off of porn does not make it right or moral.

Would it be ok if he had breakfast at the home of the guys who own Vivid?

Would it be ok if he had lunch at the home of someone who owned a major pollutor?

Woudl it be ok for him to have a nosh at the home of an abortion doctor?

I really think this will end up being used against him in a campaign ad in the future.

Also I know liberals would have been all over a Republican if he did the same thing with all sorts of comments about eating with those who degrade women.

Just because a lot of people pay for something does not make it right..

Anonymous said...

-But he didn't do any of those other things, you just wish he would...

-The question wasn't whether it was right or moral, but would it hurt him politically and IT WON'T because this magazine may fall under ADULT entertainment, but it is a world away from the vast majority of what is encompassed under that label and MOST people realize that...and because of the interviews as well as it's relative 'tameness', it's almost seen as a mainstream publication...

-It MIGHT be used in a campaign ad, but if whoever he's running against has to try to pump this dinner up into something to attack him with, it probably suggests they don't have much else to work with, or it hasn't been effective, and they will likely come across a desperate and bitter LOSER.

-Yes, liberals WOULD be all over a Republican for doing it...not so much because of the 'degrading to women' thing as the 'Republican hypocracy' thing. These days Republicans like to posture as THE party by, for, and of GOD and 'family values', as if nobody in with an R beside their name ever broke a commandment...It's what did Jack Ryan in...remember?

-And, no, just because a lot of people do it or pay for it, doesn't make it right...but, it does mitigate how judgemental they are going to be about it...besides, all he did was have dinner...it's not like he was hanging out at the 'mansion' with Hef.

ArchPundit said...

She and her father have long records of giving and it's never been used against others effectively--ultimately, unless it is really, really juicy contributors are tough to pin on someone. That said, I find Hefner's enterprises as one of the most offensive of adult material--it celebrates norms that women can't meet.

Then again, the biggest child rearing issue my wife and I have is over allowing the girls to have Barbie.

OneMan said...

Ok, where to start with this.

I really have no desire for Obama to dine with anyone besides Rick Klau....

Do I think Obama has gotten a free pass in two elections now. Yes

Do I think Obama is more liberal on several issues that most people might be comfortable with in this state. Yes

Do I think he is satan or anything evil. No.

Do I get a laugh out of anytime I point something out (fundraising out of state, dinner with the Hefner family) I am considered some sort of bitter Republican. Yes.

Do I get a laugh out of those who feel that Obama is the saintly second political coming. Yes.

Stop and remember, if Blair Hull knew how to treat the women in his life in my Opinion he would have been the nominee.

OneMan
OneMan

Anonymous said...

"Do I think Obama has gotten a free pass in two elections now. Yes"

-If that's true, good for him in making the most of it. With the fickleness of the press, he can be sure it won't last forever. And maybe he just doesn't do and say a lot of the dumb stuff other politicians do that generate a lot of negative scrutiny. Nothing wrong with knowing how to handle the media.

"Do I think Obama is more liberal on several issues that most people might be comfortable with in this state. Yes"

-The Republicans keep saying 'if people only knew' or 'as soon as people find out' just how 'extreme', 'out of the mainstream', etc...yet despite their candidate going around the state basically calling Obama a baby-killing commie, they have failed to diminish his support...maybe the people of Illinois are more comfortable with certain issues than some want to believe.


"Do I get a laugh out of anytime I point something out (fundraising out of state, dinner with the Hefner family) I am considered some sort of bitter Republican. Yes.

Do I get a laugh out of those who feel that Obama is the saintly second political coming. Yes."

-As long as you're having fun with your bitterness..:)

"Stop and remember, if Blair Hull knew how to treat the women in his life in my Opinion he would have been the nominee."

-'if' and 'would have been'...the siren song of many a failed political career...

So-Called Austin Mayor said...

OneMan, I agree with you and AP that Playboy Enterprises is a slimy corporation and that porn is harmful to society and individuals. It portrays an unhealthy female "ideal" and while the magazine may be "soft core", that is certainly not the case for all Playboy products.

That said, I still think you are bitter.

So-Called "Austin Mayor"

OneMan said...

Yeah good for him for taking advantage of the free pass,I will give you that.

And I am not bitter dang nab-it. If it was Danny! getting this sort of free pass then I would be bitter.